The Staircase: Let's Discuss Reasonable Doubt

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The Staircase: Let's Discuss Reasonable Doubt

I just want to point out that nowhere in this video, do I claim Michael Peterson is innocent. I have no quarrel with those who have made their decisions already. I am pointing out obvious problems that make it difficult to know- what actually happened. I also want everybody to know I am not satisfied with Michael Peterson's assurance's that Kathleen knew about his extra marital romps. I am not ready to make a decision about this yet- but by no means am I letting him off the hook. I am very suspicious of him.

Comments to the video: The Staircase: Let's Discuss Reasonable Doubt

jason momo 1 month ago
Whatever happened to gag orders? Notice the cases that allow all the media frenzy before trial, and during completely strip defendants of the presumption of innocence! Why is that ever allowed anywhere in this country?
Issy McQueen 1 month ago
Erekose: This case drives me nuts b/c every time I think I've made up my mind about Peterson's guilt or innocence- I end up reconsidering another piece of evidence and then change my mind again. For example: The nugget you just delivered in this video, regarding apparent fact that detectives actually found & photographed the blow poke early in the investigation- but then never shared this information. Boggles the mind. I THINK I tend to believe he's innocent. Ugh. I don't know. It's like a riddle!
HawkeyeSTiGuy 2 months ago
I agree. The state definitely messed up, mishandled evidence, & did not have reliable experts. Unfortunately, that does not help us determine at all whether he killed her or not. After watching The Staircase, I still feel that he did do it. His whole demeanor is very strange the entire time & he comes off as always trying to get away with something. I got the impression that he expected to be convicted, so any time that he was out, was free time to him. I found it very interesting that he was adamant about not wanting a new trial & just wanted a plea, but then when they discovered the evidence was not sealed properly & may not be admitted, he was all too happy to have a trial & claimed he wanted that all along. Every time the line moves in the sand, he takes a new stance. I contrast that with Steven Avery who would never want a plea & has been rock solid from day one that he is innocent. I think Michael should have been questioned more. I would be curious to see if his story changed at all. Also, his 911 call seems very fake to me, especially for someone who is a military vet & served in Vietnam. I also found it interesting that when they found the blowpoke, his attorney said, Whatever he used, there is no blood on it. He seems to be very shifty & fake like he is putting on a show the entire time. That's my take on it, but I really just want to get to the bottom of what happened.
Barbie Girl 3 months ago
I've been watching you for awhile. The Staircase on Netflix seemed to be very one sided. I hope you continue to research on this case, I love how your mind works and would enjoy seeing more. 😀
irene Powell 3 months ago
What if he pushed her down the stairs?
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
We are still left wondering how did Kathleen avoid cranial fractures or bruising on the brain. I am really struggling with this murder scene, because it is highly contradictory.
precious14830 4 months ago
Again, Rich, I must disagree with you. If you look at the bottom backboard to the step that actually touches the floor, there is tons of spatter there. The ONLY way it could have gotten there was IF he had smacked her head into the floor.falling down 3-4 stairs would NOT have put the blood there, because her head hit the wall while still in the stairway, nor caused her to have 7 lacerations on her scalp. Her coughing it out would NOT have occurred there, nor would her blowing out her mouth have put it there. An owl attack could NOT have put the blood there. Speaking as an RN I can promise you that there have been multiple beatings that don't cause internal head injury (brain).she died from bleeding out for over 2 hours. That's why there were red neurons present. Present red neurons means he ignored her bleeding for longer than the supposed 45 minutes he said he sat out at the pool, and that is not what he told the EMTs when they arrived.he told them he only went out to turn off the lights. His whole she's STILL breathing when he was never asked if she was breathing, and as though she shouldn't be breathing. One must keep in mind that it takes a lot of pressure to open the skull up or even fracture it, unless one was significantly osteoporotic. It's designed to take a lot because it's where our hard drive is and is specifically present to protect it. I also have no reasonable doubt whatsoever based on everything I've researched. I also must add that I don't believe the prosecution did one thing untoward/shady. They could not have known that Deavers withheld evidence (the Takayama test) or wasn't doing peer reviewed techniques.that's not their job. Where the prosecution failed is in doing their due diligence in background checking to see if he did all he claimed to do in his CV. I don't see anything wrong with the introduction of Liz Ratliff's death, nor the bisexuality. Michael opened the door on his sexuality with his idyllic marriage statements to the press and his attorney. Would you have had an issue with the infidelities being brought into it IF it were only with women? If there were printed off emails of his conversations with a woman, saying what he's done with other women and what he wanted to do to her , would it have mattered? Cheating is still cheating regardless of who it's done with. Kathleen would never have tolerated it, as she didn't with her first spouse. You can best believe that the Judge would NOT have had any issue introducing that into the mix, or any other person who cries that it's only because he was bisexual. Once you remove the gender, it's all the same.
precious14830 4 months ago
Tamara Spink  Spot on Tamara. I've already listened to all 18 episodes of the BBC's podcast. If you haven't heard the experts weigh in in two of a series of podcasts, read my other comments because the link is listed in this vid or the next video that was done by Rich on the 93 year old woman who fell down the staircase.
Tamara Spink 4 months ago
I agree with all you’ve written here. I don’t believe in coincidences of this magnitude. TWO women dying on staircases? Not credible on statistical probability. The same poster above both staircases? Plus Mike was having an affair with the producer of the documentary while it was being made. Listen to the BBC podcast called ‘Beyond Reasonable Doubt’ about this case. It’s brilliant. Very different presentation and you see how biased the documentary was. They missed quite a bit out of the documentary, like the cleaned up bloody footprints going into the laundry room. They interview Mike too. It totally convinced me of guilt. Just goes to show how easily we can be swayed, I guess, but it was good to hear an analysis which wasn’t fawning over Mike and what a great guy he was. He’s charming, but it’s irrelevant. Kathleen is all that matters, and justice for her. So sorry for her family and hated how they talked about her sister. RIP Kathleen
precious14830 4 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer  Yup, I know you didn't, and I never tried to imply that you had.but that you had questions.which I hope I can provide answers to from all my research on it. I can't wait to be able to start on the other case you're working on.can't recall the name of the dude.but the girl you refer to lots is meeeeeeeegan.lol Still love ya Rich.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
precious14830 I forgot to get back to you last night. Working now but I have many questions to ask about the comment above. Btw I have never said he is innocent.
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
If a prosecution cannot obtain a conviction without using any trickery and without being deceitful in any way, then they do not deserve to obtain a conviction.
precious14830 4 months ago
I agree.BUT, the prosecution did NOTHING that was trickery or deceitful, unless you consider they didn't do background checks on Deavers CV claims!!! That's it. Nothing nefarious going on there at all.
MusicLuvr Laurie 4 months ago
You definitely make some great points, Erekose. <3 I don't for one minute believe Kathleen knew about the affairs. I don't know a single woman who would laugh and joke about something that heinous. And I think that it goes to his character; he's a total cad with no self-control. If ONLY we could know the cause of those dad-burned wounds on her head.
Marisa Pereyra 4 months ago
I feel like they made a good case for motive, but not for physical evidence. there is so many questions still left up in the air. They should have looked at all leads and possibilities before going in hard on Michael with a lot left to question. However, I'm not 100% that he is innocent either. I just feel like the investigation started off poorly.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
I think Michael had a ton of motive NO DOUBT. However I agree the mechanics of her death are unclear as yet.
Bituquinna Bituquitan 4 months ago
I have no doubt he is guilty. But I agree there was plenty of reasonable doubt of P's guilt.
Thomas Hense 4 months ago
You are basing your opinions on the documentary and not what the jury heard. Why didn't Michael have blood on him? Did he stand at a distance when he found her with made no attempt to provide assistance? If that was my wife I know I would be holding her, comforting her, trying to stop the bleeding, giving CPR if she stopped breathing. I would be covered in blood. He was clean. Why did he take off his shoes? There is blood leading up the stairs, towels were found under her head. Did he go up to shower and returned with the towel to give a reason for going to the bathroom? How did her blood get on his wine case cabinet? Entrance way? Why didn't Michael mention the blood loss in his 911 call? How do you explain the strangulation injuries? To me it's pretty obvious. As he was strangling her he was hitting the top of her head off the edge of a step.
ryan polacek 4 months ago
I don't have netflix anymore to watch staircase but do you know if of all the thousands of staircase deaths what percentage are this bloody if anyone knows, is this normal or extremely rare
precious14830 4 months ago
The head bleeds a lot. There have been instances, a few, of elderly people who have thinner skin and thinner blood, who have fallen down stairs and bleed a lot.but that's not a young 48 year old woman. You can watch much of it here on you tube fyi. Also check out A Novel Idea.one of the Forensic Files episodes.season 11 episode 22 or the reverese of season 22 episode 11.
Thomas Hense 4 months ago
Injuries HEAD  Blunt force trauma of the head  Multiple (at least 7) deep, complex lacerations and avulsions to the posterior scalp  Multiple contusions consistent with lacerations  Multiple small abrasions and contusions on the face  Early acute ischemic neuronal necrosis  No abnormalities of the brain  NECK  One fracture with associated hemorrhage of the left superior cornu of the thyroid cartilage in the neck  No other neck fractures.  BODY  No long bone or rib fractures  HANDS  Contusions of back, posterior arms, wrists and hands  Hair in left hand -- hair in right hand.
billybad905 9toes 4 months ago
I just don't believe that anyone would joke around with u about u fking around on them
proudfootz 4 months ago
I'm with you on reasonable doubt. To be honest I can't conclude there was even a murder in the first place. Perhaps if the prosecution had a better theory that explained the facts I'd be able to overcome those doubts. The shenanigans of the state sure doesn't help them, either.
proudfootz 3 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer  - Every time law enforcement and prosecutors are caught with their hand in the cookie jar, it makes me wonder how anyone can simply take their word on anything.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
Which is why it's a problem. Do we have to look at every case now and deal with criminals on both sides?
Em 7609 4 months ago
Owl.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
Krisluvsutube  I am actually considering that at this time. My only problem is that she would have screamed when the owl clawed her head. I feel sure Michael would be able to hear her while still outside. I am still thinking about it.
Krisluvsutube 4 months ago
Why is it so difficult for some people to realize that she never fell down the stairs??? Why can't anyone explain blood on the outside of the door going into the house??? Why can't anyone see that she could have just collapsed at the bottom of the stairs from being attacked by an animal??? That's the reason for all that blood folks.she didn't fall or wasn't pushed or wasn't even bludgeoned.
Olivia Chacon 4 months ago
Em 7609 Woodsy Owl??? That sure is one well traveled Owl.
Beaverius 4 months ago
I think you've taken a pretty damn neutral approach to the staircase story. Were I a juror, even with all the super obvious stuff, there are some major questions that might cause reasonable doubt. The blood patterns don't seem to match the prosecutions claims, but goddamn that's a lot of blood from a fall. Unlike the prop used on other tv show 'reenactments' of this, the actual blowpoke looks pretty thin and light compared to the injuries sustained. His behavior after he found his wife until the end is hard for me to gauge in terms of innocence/guilt. I think that his gay affairs COULD be admitted, if perhaps to support motive, but perhaps just describing it as an affair rather than a gay affair would be less prejudicial while still being reasonable. I do not think the germany thing however should've been admitted, because it sounds like a qualified medical examiner determined that it was an aneurysm. A pretty striking coincidence, sure, but that doesn't negate the medical observations that it was natural, if not tragic. I think were this a civil trial, which has a much lower burden of proof, he'd be found liable without question. Preponderance of evidence, easy. Reasonable doubt? That's a tough one for me. (even if my gut says he totally did it)
Beaverius 3 months ago
+Erekose on Making A Murderer I definitely saw that and it blew my mind! The truth is often stranger than fiction
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
I have another video about a staircase fall. You should check out if you haven't.
Mary Henry 4 months ago
Me to ,your a very fair man Erekose!
Shawn Gerhardson 4 months ago
Guilty Guilty Guilty. No doubt about it. If you start saying Scott Peterson is innocent I’m unsubscribing.
Shawn Gerhardson 4 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer Yes
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
Shawn Gerhardson did you hear me say numerous times. I am not saying he is innocent.
Joy Cuellar 4 months ago
I agree just not sure about Michael Peterson
Bonnie Bunch 4 months ago
Wow, 1st viewer! Says something about my Saturday nights. Lol Great points, especially about the head wounds. I'm going to have to watch the documentary again also. That's going to drive me crazy, what caused such superficial wounds. Great work, as always!
precious14830 4 months ago
As an RN I can promise you that not every head injury where there is bleeding involved, requires a fractured skull nor any brain injury/swelling. Seen it lots. Just saying.
hippypeacechick 420 4 months ago
I can not find one single case of death from a staircase with those injuries. Statistically impossible in my opinion. This is just common sense. I respectfully disagree with you on this one.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+Robert Klimeck..I think if she had fallen here would have been much more chance of skull fractures and the impacts would not be at the same angle. It's just not possible. She was slain. The only discussion should be about 'who did it' only, in my opinion.
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
Chase Postell Yes, that's possible. Now, as to the autopsy done in Durham, I find myself placing little credence in that autopsy. The prosecutions side appeared to be very confident of what the findings of the autopsy would show before the casket was even opened. The defense requested that the autopsy be done in Texas by a neutral party but the prosecution refused and insisted it be done in Durham by their M.E. Which cost the state thousands of dollars extra. Man, did I wanna punch the guy in the face who was standing next to Elizabeth's grave laughing while saying this is my first time. While it should have been a somber moment for all involved. Yes, Elizabeth's death is very coincidental but she had started suffering from headaches, that had caused her enough alarm to finally schedule to see doctor about them. I agree that if her injuries were caused by falling down the stairs that there should have been skull fractures. But there should have been skull fractures if she had been beaten. Neither theory quite explains her injuries or lack thereof, imo.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+Robert Klimeck..Still fishy and he may have hit on her and was turned down. Then he attacked her to make sure it didn't get back to his wife. But that was ruled a homicide as well after the body was exhumed and reexamined.
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
Elizabeth Ratcliff was a good friend of Michael's and of his then wife, Patty. Elizabeth's husband had recently died and Michael and Patty were helping and emotionally supporting her and her daughter's. There was never an known affair between Elizabeth and Michael.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+Erekose on Making A Murderer..She was at one point or was still with him in a relationship at least if I recall. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's been a while since I saw the documentary. And the fact that there's no skull fractures further solidifies my opinion that this was done by an attack. If her body weight had been on top of the impact that caused that kind of damage, it would have most likely damaged her skull as well. So, not to sound condescending, but how can you think that a fall down stairs can cause 7 breaks in the skin in almost the exact same front to back angle could possibly be caused from a fall from a story of about 20 stairs as she tumbled to the bottom? I'm just not sure how anyone could believe that. It's just not possible without someone holding her from the ankles, head down, while holding her head in one direction and we know that just didn't happen.
mary303030 4 months ago
P.s. have u watched the HBO version? A lot of same footage was used for Netflix but I feel like they went into some points more and more behind the scenes of putting on a defense and what it takes.
mary303030 3 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer I watched it on my fire stick. I had to pay to watch but it was worth it!
Erekose on Making A Murderer 3 months ago
I hope I can find that.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
Ok, I can tell some of this was directed towards me and fair enough. But I'll say that I didn't find any of my comments towards you to be disrespectful or 'snarky' at all. I was simply stating that I have no reasonable doubt in the case. I know that she was slain. Now, if there were another suspect out there.anyone at all..any glimmer of outside-that-household play, any enemy outside whatsoever, I could get on board with the reasonable doubt train. And while I can sympathize with Deever possibly being a liar or a 'fabricator', etc. , just because he'd done that before doesn't automatically mean he did in this case. He had no reason to frame MP. He didn't have a motive like MCSD did against Avery. No pension to lose, no career to lose. In fact, he had more stake in telling the truth to keep his career. So for me, I wasn't convinced that Peterson didn't do this and based on all of the info that I gathered, I have no reasonable doubt that would have made me vote 'not guilty' If I had been a juror. I apologize for not agreeing with you on this one but I'm not going to be fake regardless. I still enjoy your videos and will continue watching and giving a thumbs up 👍
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+precious14830..👍💙
precious14830 4 months ago
Chase Postell  Nor my mind. Won't ever happen because I have looked into so much on this case that there is just no other result. Owl theory.nope! Fall down stairs.nope!
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+precious14830..regardless of Deavers findings I still believe that MP did this because I know it was a murder and there's no other evidence suggesting anyone else could have or wanted to do it. It's that simple to me. The technicality means nothing to me. If he got a new trial with new experts, great. He's probably entitled to that in a way. But that doesn't change my mind. Remember, Robert Durst clearly got away with more than one murder as well.
precious14830 4 months ago
I agree with your premise that he's guilty. However, I do have to say honestly, that Deavers was/is nothing more than a prevaricator of the highest order. He lied on many many cases, and this WAS one of them, because he withheld evidence. The Takayama test was NOT turned over to the prosecution, and therefore wasn't turned over to the defense either. He also used untested methods that were not and never have been peer reviewed to use. He cost an Alford Plea to be offered because it never would have been without the overturned conviction due to his antics.
Thomas Hense 4 months ago
+Chase Postell You brought up Wisconsin and Manitowoc in both you comments. Do you not read what you write?
mary303030 4 months ago
I've always been interested in what could cause wounds like that if not an accident. I'd like to hear from an expert in the field. other cases with Similar lacerations and what caused them. cracking your head on stair or molding r railing makes sense to me. Enough to break skin not enough to fracture skull. Could fracture skull but not like a beating would most definitely cause
Thomas Hense 4 months ago
I have seen similar injuries. Guy was beating another guy when a plastic mug. Left similar lacerations on the head. Blood on the walls, ceiling and floor was covered in blood spray. No fractures. What I see at the bottom of the staincase looks very similar. I believe that as he was strangling her he was banging the top of her head off the edge of a step. Besides there is no other explanation for her strangulation injuries - crushed thyroid cartilage, internal hemorrhaging - other than she was strangled.