The Staircase: My Initial Thoughts

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The Staircase: My Initial Thoughts

A comparison of another stairway fall with the Peterson stairway-

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gamerslockerslife 1 month ago
If there wasn't a second woman that died the same way I would have said it was an accident.
Mariyeen Acheege 1 month ago
Scott Peterson is not the same as Steven Avery or Brendan Dassey. Scott Peterson had a lot of motive as he was going bankrupt and lose his reputation and she had a lucrative life insurance plan, he had inconsistencies in his statements (and this is not a juvenile being coerced, nor a man afraid he's going to be wrongly incarcerated again), and the coincidence of the previous fall from which he gained money, then the forensics don't add up to her falling without force, there were wipe stains on the walls around her, there were other clues around the crime scene like no dna on the glass she supposedly drank from, there's proof he spent time on the computer while she was lying there, she was dead for a while before he called because the time of death doesn't equate with the call. All these corroborate. Then I read some family story about how he got livid with their little dog for jumping in the pool while the kids were playing and bashed the dog's head against the rim of the water fountain, leaving the dog whimpering, I can't remember what ended up happening to the dog, but one of the daughters didn't talk to him for a day or two. He embellishes all of his answers, nothing is straightforward, he's good at telling a tale, as he's a writer. So many things. If the blood viles weren't tampered and if he wasn't a closet bisexual, they wouldn't have an argument about an unfair case. I think he's guilty. He got really lucky. He was able to pay his bills, get some time off being taken care of in jail and then retire quietly.
Susie Collins 1 month ago
It's an interesting show and I'd like to watch it again. I was surprised the defense didn't get testimony from the experts stating that the stairway is the most dangerous place in the home and especially if one is drinking and on medication. Also, head and neck wounds bleed way more than other parts of the body.
Len Catchinsky 2 months ago
Hi Erekose, I watch your MaM videos and had to come here. I think I´ve seen and read everything about the staircase. If you haven´t done already, I really recommend the BBC podcast on this case called Beyond reasonable doubt. Paints a much clearer picture of the whole situation than the documentary (which is amazing, but biased as the head editor was in a long relationship with Peterson; her name is Sophie Brunet). Along with all the circumstantial and physical evidence, there are a few more undeniable facts that make it almost impossible that he´s innocent. The blow poke was not used. In my opinion, her head was smashed against the stairs again and again. It explains all the blood spatter and the missing cast of. He attempted a cleanup, staged the consumption of alcohol. I could go on and on. But as you said it´s terribly sad. Especially the tragedy the adopted sisters have to go through. If they allow themselves to think Peterson is guilty, their whole life would fall apart. Everything would´ve been a lie. It´s just that extra layer of sadness in this whole story. Thanks for your videos. keep them coming
susique 3 months ago
Just a thought. Some medications and possibly in combination with alcohol can cause the blood to thin and this could cause excessive bleeding from a wound and would account for the volume of blood that was found. I agree, he is a bit of a strange bird, but that doesn't automatically make him a murderer. Unlike the Avery/Dassey case, I just can't tell whether or not he's guilty from the evidence.
Marissa Link 3 months ago
What do you guys think of the owl theory?
FeeBee 3 months ago
Just watching Episode 11 and MP is talking about when he got out he was crying all the time over everything that he's lost.. the loss of his Father, how he missed his children's weddings, graduations etc but he doesn't mention Kathleen! Unless I missed it and/or he says it later on!! (I've stopped Netflix to make this comment!!) I was really shocked!! For the record. I've no idea if he did it or not! Hugs from the UK 🇬🇧
Shelly Chavez 4 months ago
TY Great Video- Two things that stick out to me is the 911 call(s) I’m not able to tell if it’s his odd bird behavior or part of his narrative story, also the strangulation, I need to see more on that, did she have bruises on her neck to prove this or what other evidence surrounds it.
precious14830 4 months ago
This was just posted to my Staircase group, and it's the first I've heard it . This podcast is AWESOME. It does have commercials, but ya gotta expect that with free content. It's not overwhelming commercials though. Please listen to the entire thing when you have the time. It's 1:24:45 in total time.
precious14830 4 months ago
I've never talked to a soul about it, and this is the first time I've even remotely touched on it, and that's okay.this is who I am, and it takes a long time to get to that point. That's who I am.but when you've lived that so long that this is who I am, to make that leap is very difficult, AND I DIDN'T MAKE THAT LEAP WITH KATHLEEN. Yeah it would have been better. I probably wasn't that comfortable with it.I couldn't have been that comfortable with it because I was hiding it.. This paragraph came from MP himself in chapter 13 Flawed Justice at the 13:13 time marker. So, if you still believe MP is innocent, I would suggest you rewatch, at least that segment, and the whole Kathleen knew statement goes bye bye, and the motive for the murder should be apparent!
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
precious14830 I will have to respond to you later.
precious14830 4 months ago
Here are facts that the director willfully edited out of the documentary: Kathleen Peterson worked for a dot com bubble-affected company that was figuratively burning down ($398b to $5b in 2 yrs). Almost all workers had been laid off and she confided in a friend that she worried she would soon follow. There was a $1.4 million life insurance policy on Kathleen. She was also the owner of the home, the car and had $350k in pension funds and her 401(K) It was said that their (her, actually) net worth was around $2M Michael's sons were all heavily in debt. His sons were not even close to being able to afford to pay the interest on their loans - much less reduce the principal Either Michael was completely unwilling to discuss this issue with Kathleen or Kathleen had already said no to the idea of helping his sons Michael suggested to his sons' mother Patty, whose net worth presumably wasn't 10% of Kathleen's, that she should take out a $30 000 home equity loan to help the boys out Michael had no income and had not had any income to speak of for a long time There was a bloody shoeprint on the backside of Kathleen's leg matched to the sneakers owned by Michael which were found next to the body There was a drop of blood on the inseam of Michael's shorts There was blood on the inside of the front door and a drop of blood was found on the porch There were only trace amounts of blood in Kathleen's lungs suggesting she might not have coughed up 10 000 drops of blood Her arms and hands had contusions (bruises) and cartilage in the front of her neck was fractured Despite the colossal injuries to her head and neck area and contusions all over her arms she had zero injury to her knees and legs Analysis of her brain revealed the presence of red neurons that suggest she had been alive for 45-120 minutes after her blood loss began - a neuropathologist testified that in his experience 120 minutes was the minimum she was alive for after her initial blood loss The two paramedics who responded to the call arrived ten minutes after his initial call and both noted that the blood was very dry when they arrived In the week leading up to the death he deleted a ton of files from his computer and after that installed a program designed to make deleting files easier. GUILTY as charged. Too bad others didn't and don't see it because they are relying on a biased doc.
precious14830 4 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer  Also, I just found this to help bolster my previous statement/s. It wasn't on this comment and may have been on your second video of this case but here ya go.(I have an entire pages of notes, links, etc on this case, in a word perfect document that I refer to, but sometimes have to open them up and read once again to find what i'm looking for, because I'm quite obsessed with this case, lol) .
precious14830 4 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer  This is a first time for me to be honest. I'm right with you 100% in MaM.because it's common sense.no evidence that wasn't planted.here no planting done, a MULTITUDE of questions that are answerable in the negative for MP. His pathological lying is his downfall as well as his attempt at cleaning the crime scene up.otherwise, he may have been believed.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
*****GUILTY as charged. Too bad others didn't and don't see it because they are relying on a biased doc. I would just like to point out that the comment above, reminds me of comments on some of my other video's. 1. I agree there are many reasons to suspect Michael. 2. I have stated clearly what I have problems with. 3. I have not declared Michael Peterson innocent, not sure I will ever do so. 4. I can't understand how these injuries happened. For now- that is my focus.
precious14830 4 months ago
Also, you can't see the blood on the top outside the stairwell.that picture and no picture shows it. It was there.it was mentioned several times. You also didn't mention HIS footprint on the back of her pant leg! You also didn't mention him removing his shoes and walking around barefoot and wiping up those footprints that were found with luminol. The blowpoke was not named as anything other than a possible weapon. You also don't mention the fact that Peterson ordered/bought 3 additional blowpokes online.why would he do that? The found blowpoke didn't have it's SHARP top on it. The found blowpoke could well have been a new one that didn't have any damage done to it. It could have been just the tip that was used after it fell off from the first strike with it ? Harden didn't know that Deavers withheld those negative Takayama results. He never knew they existed. I really think once you spend more time on investigating it, you'll see the same thing.MP is guilty as hell.IMO. No reasonable doubt to be found, and several other experts back it up.
Lu Xun 4 months ago
That's not how I remember it, but doesn't matter. It's just odd imo he would do something like that in such a situation.
precious14830 4 months ago
Lu Xun  he wasn't wiping it, but he had purchased a program that would remove certain content only, from what I recall being said about that. That was done in the week prior to her death, as I recall it also.
Lu Xun 4 months ago
Wat I always thought suspicious was the fact he was caught wiping his hard drive. Who would do that when your wife is lying dead on the floor?
precious14830 4 months ago
One doesn't get blood in the mouth when the wounds are on the back of the head UNLESS she was laying face down.
Steven Giles 4 months ago
nobody gets killed by owl except the two women Peterson saw last? lol
Steven Giles 1 month ago
+Novascotia Skater true, true, but she had a talon mark as well
Novascotia Skater 2 months ago
Steven Giles no one ever suggested LR was killed by an owl.
Marisa Pereyra 4 months ago
She didn't have a high blood alcohol though, they said she would have passed a breathalyzer test it was so low. If she hit her head hard enough to make gashes shouldn't she have had some type of brain bruising, brain bleeding/swelling, broken/fractured/dislocated neck/spine vertebra? She didn't. Maybe it was possible she was killed outside and that's how she got pine needles and owl feathers in her head and they just made a bloody show on the stairs to make it look like an accident? Which would be why the blood doesn't add up? I'm not 100% he is guilty, but I have a hard time believing she died from wounds caused by falling down some stairs.
precious14830 4 months ago
Killed outside would not have had bleeding spatter inside. There is no blood pressure that would force the blood to spray or splatter. They were sitting outside and she could have had the pine needles/feather from putting of their decorations and getting their LIVE Christmas tree that day.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
I feel very similar to you. I have not made a decision about guilt or innocence, I am still examining.
Adam Bills 4 months ago
Hi Erekose, I really appreciate that you always point out that we have to remain objective and not jump straight on the guilty training some of these cases. Not sure if podcasts are your’e thing, but one in particular has gone viral in Australia called “Teacher’s Pet” which looks at a case back in the 80’s of rugby sports star ( who is a twin) and whose wife goes missing. At the same time she goes missing, he is in an affair with a student he teaches. She moves in, they get married and the wife “Lynette Dawson” still hasn’t been found to this day. Coroner court rules that the husband likely killed her and recommends to the department of public prosecution to take a look. Have tried really hard not to pass judgement on this one, but it’s soooooo hard not to. Would love you to check it out and get your thoughts. I believe it’s also made number 1 crime podcast in Canada and uk
Carol Carol 4 months ago
I'm not with you on this one.I think you need to watch it again.I've watched it at least 3 times and my vote is GUILTY!
precious14830 4 months ago
Agreed 100%.
Rockman AL 4 months ago
Time for me to chime in. Steve and Brendon got shafted, and shafted. Thanks for exposing our broken justice system. I've watched all of your videos. Thanks for being a freedom fighter!
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
Rockman AL thank you
playlist 4 months ago
That Damn Owl..
Steven Giles 4 months ago
poor Mike, framed by an owl twice
Amanda Janney 4 months ago
Watch the forensic files episode, it has a.lot more details that weren't included
Amanda Janney 4 months ago
I 100% agree I did find it interesting how many details such as Todd already being at the house when the ambulance arrived all very interesting that none of that was mentioned in the documentary
precious14830 4 months ago
That needs updating.it has several things wrong and doesn't mention Deaver's discrediting.
Christoffer Simpson 4 months ago
Have you checked the owl theory? Its pretty far out, but it could have happened lol!
precious14830 4 months ago
Nope, not possible.
KelChelW 4 months ago
The blood spatter evidence does not support repeated blows. The blowpoke is not in family videos as far back as the 90s according to Margaret.
precious14830 4 months ago
KelChelW  Nice language! Do you kiss your momma with that mouth? I can see by your reply you aren't an analyst, nor know any of the other things I asked about. Why not try educating yourself about stuff first? I just don't get it!!!!
KelChelW 4 months ago
Gfy
precious14830 4 months ago
Are you a blood spatter analyst? Did you know Michael ordered 3 blowpokes online during his trial? Why? Did you know that one doesn't have to have blood spatter high up on the walls when someone is struck at or while on the floor level? Personally, I would believe Martha more than Margaret. Martha didn't appear to be a liar to me, whereas Margaret seemed to have his back without once having a doubt as Martha had shown to display several times.
KelChelW 4 months ago
I fully support the owl theory.
KelChelW 4 months ago
precious14830 glad you’re entertained.
precious14830 4 months ago
LOL.u keep on supporting that. While the people who know that NO OWL IN HISTORY HAS EVER KILLED ANYONE BY AN ATTACK, will keep laughing at you.
Kristina Jones 4 months ago
Do you think the fact that he had written newspaper artistic about the police (not in the best light) could of played a factor.I sure do
Kristina Jones 4 months ago
@ MusikluvrToo - just because someone is having an affair doesn't make them a BAD person or MURDER (Im not saying its right but it is not fair to judge)
Kristina Jones 4 months ago
I find him a strange as well.but I think maybe that is how he deals with it - some people use humor to get them through - and if he is innocent I can see where all you can do is laugh because if not you could just completely lose it
Sumridge 4 months ago
I agree. I do think he's guilty. The State messed it up.
precious14830 4 months ago
I think he's VERY guilty.
Steven Giles 4 months ago
two women killed by owls lmao
Paul Reece 4 months ago
My two cents - Guilty
Denise Wyatt 4 months ago
I’ve watched the Staircase twice as well because it just didn’t grab my attention. For me I can’t say I think he is innocent or guilty but I definitely think he is creepy. All of that blood on the stairs from a fall? I don’t know, of course I’m not an expert and it seems like a lot of blood for just a fall.
Peter Grant 4 months ago
Reaction the the demeanor of Michael Peterson..I think that laughter is what one calls a self defense mechanism when faced with stress. deep down he knows a jury isn't going to like him sneaking around behind his wife's back having homosexual sex. He knows it's bad. for the jury to hear.so he minimizes it. Can you imagine a steel or cast iron Blow Poke not causing a fracture to the skull.LOL No.he was just trying to deeply scratch her to death. If she was as the feathers in her hand, and hair suggest, the owl attack what would anyone do? Run.up the stairs.right? Not knowing what was on her head. and she trips and falls. the bird takes off realizing his meal is way too heavy to carry off. What is really disturbing is why no one except another lawyer in town wonder about the feathers found.Millions of dollars spent on a case because of Mother Nature.
Peter Grant 4 months ago
It was once a theory, but now proven the wife was attacked by an owl. and the talons caused the cuts on the head.not the fire place poker. In fact an actual match They found owl feathers in her hair. what the documentary showed me is that corrupt forensic teams can make up what ever they want. Would it be so hard to believe SA blood in TH SUV was done under the cover of a tarp.? Ask yourself. if the cops had the entire ASY shut down, had searched all the premises and came onto a sink, a bathroom waste bucket with bloody rags.paper towels.would they feel SA did the crime because it was the only home with bloody rags. and make the case fit? In the end of the Staircase we find out detectives had found the fireplace poker in the basement on the very first search. yet hid that fact to make it look like Peterson had disposed of it.I think the Peterson case was all about convicting on his sexuality.
magunra3k 4 months ago
Is this on Netflix ?
precious14830 4 months ago
It's a very biased piece of work. He's guilty.
magunra3k 4 months ago
Awesome, i will watch it before i watch the rest of this video
MrsMary Mac 4 months ago
Yes
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
Imo, he gives off a narcissistic vibe. But from the evidence I seen in the documentary, I honestly can't say one way or another if he's innocent or guilty. I definitely don't think the or a blow poke caused Katherine's injuries though. No way it happened that way. Lack of splatter on the ceiling proves that.
Ben Barr 4 months ago
Many things do not fit with the narrative, nor physics, for many things were physically impossible. No cast off of blood splatter speaks volumes, and blood being transferred from one place to another by forensics, and detectives. The kitchen cabinet is a clear sign that shows that police planted evidence, as one pic shows that blood was transferred after crime scene was seized, and secured.
precious14830 4 months ago
No, no blood was planted. Michael had to set the scene.he even dumped alcohol/wine down the drain and had two wine glasses set out, but ONLY ONE SET OF FINGERPRINTS.NOT KATHLEENS.
Ben Barr 4 months ago
I also believe Michael Peterson is completely innocent, though he might be an odd fellow, he is a very likable person. Though some of his demeanor, and action's rubbed me the wrong way, but that's not enough for me to think he's guilty of committing murder. It just goes to show how fast people who you might think where once in your corner, can be convinced with fabricated evidence, and manipulation of the mind. As soon as the first trial came, everyone who once thought he was innocent, now are completely convinced of his guilt. It looks like an accident, but people want to believe that an accidental fall couldn't possibly create so much blood evidence. But Durham County sought to convict this man, due to his past wife's accidental fall. Coincidental? It might as well be just that a mere coincidence. But prosecutor's had one main focus, and that was to convict this man regardless of truth, or innocence. This goes to show, they don't care about the truth, or finding out about what truly happened in this case. All they cared about was the conviction. That by all mean's shows malicious intent to corrupt the System, again when reasonable doubt exist's, all for the conviction. To me seeking truth clearly overrides conviction, but that's not the world we live in.
precious14830 4 months ago
Ben Barr  Also, the blowpoke wasn't found within the home.it was found in the garage after almost 2 years of being there, yet looked as though it had only been there 2 weeks due to the lack of dead bugs and cobwebs on it, which would have been a quite large or significant amount after that length of time. Not to mention that Michael ORDERED ONLINE 3 BLOWPOKES DURING THE TRIAL. Then it conveniently turns up at the 12th hour??? Nah.it wasn't the same one. Why would he order blowpokes, if not to subvert attention to a suddenly found blowpoke at the last minutes of the trial? Why would they have waited that long to have Clayton find it? It was for shock factor and that aha moment. Kathleen was ONLY 48 YEARS OLD.there was NO REASON ON EARTH THAT EVEN HAD SHE FALLEN that she should have died in that short of time frame if a 93 year old woman could survive a fall for 11 days!!!!!
precious14830 4 months ago
Ben Barr  I've already seen it and commented on it. Big difference here though is that woman is 93 YEARS OLD. Older people have much thinner skin, thinner blood, AND it took her 11 days to die from her injuries and fractured neck. No comparison. The blood on the wall looks similar because he blood is so much thinner.in Peterson's case it looks thinner from his clean up attempt.this was per his own words.and why there is paper towels and towels present. She suffered that much damage to her scalp because she hit the lift RAIL.Kathleen did NOT.it was tested and proved to show NO BLOOD OR TISSUE. No reasonable doubt shown whatsoever. Did you listen to any of the links or attachments from the experts, that I have posted here?
Ben Barr 4 months ago
+precious14830 watch this other video Erekose talks about about Cathrine Scullion a 70 year old lady was stuck half way up a staircase, and exited the lift falling down the stairs. The forensic team, and coroner thought they were looking at a machete attack, when in fact it was only from falling down the steps. Thing is in the pictures it shows kind of the same blood pattern on the wall. The woman also suffered lacerations to her head, that appeared to be made by a sharp edge object, yet it was only from hitting the steps, walks, and landing. It wasn't a vicious murder of a machete attack, it was a simple fall, that caused allot of damage. Same in the Peterson home. Difference is in Cathrine Scullion's home, it appears if she at least had carpet, yet she suffered that much damage, and the bleeding was significant enough to almost make it look like if she was murdered. In the Peterson home, they had no carpet on their staircase, nor the landing, yet it also caused just as much bleeding. Thing was prosecution hinged its entire case on a blow-poke, that was clearly found within the Peterson home, and wasn't missing. The damage a person could suffer falling down a staircase can be deadly, or have deadly, or fatal consequences. To say this man murdered her has in my case yet to be proven. Proven, and wrongfully convicted are two seperate thing's. Now those of you who want to side with the prosecution, can review the new video from Erekose, and see for yourself what can happen to someone if they fell down a flight of steps. With carpet, and without carpet. Side by side comparison, had me baffled, cause they both are in fact one in the same. Reasonable doubt answered.
precious14830 4 months ago
Ben Barr  They didn't have a housekeeper either. You are confusing cases or something. They couldn't afford one.
Ben Barr 4 months ago
+precious14830 ok maybe it was the house cleaner, and not a nanny.
Beaverius 4 months ago
Unlike MaM, I think it's entirely possible he murdered her. But I still have some questions, namely involving the murder weapon. Honestly there's more evidence for the owl theory than anything else, and even that seems so ridiculous. He is definitely a weird dude, but he's so weird that I can't tell if he's bullshitting us or not. His family's undying support seemed a little weird, it's almost as if they couldn't even consider that he was guilty. Nonetheless, I can't say I feel one way or another.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
Can't get on board with this one. He's guilty as sin as far as I'm concerned.
precious14830 4 months ago
Robert Klimeck  I've never talked to a soul about it, and this is the first time I've even remotely touched on it, and that's okay.this is who I am, and it takes a long time to get to that point. That's who I am.but when you've lived that so long that this is who I am, to make that leap is very difficult, AND I DIDN'T MAKE THAT LEAP WITH KATHLEEN. Yeah it would have been better. I probably wasn't that comfortable with it.I couldn't have been that comfortable with it because I was hiding it.. This paragraph came from MP himself in chapter 13 Flawed Justice at the 13:13 time marker. So, if you still believe MP is innocent, I would suggest you rewatch, at least that segment, and the whole Kathleen knew statement goes bye bye, and the motive for the murder should be apparent!
Sarah Kratky 4 months ago
+Robert Klimeck watch that part again. It immediately gave me goosebumps. Goosebumbs because as a woman I only had to worry about where my man was when he was not where he was supposed to be. Of course a teenager would think nothing of it because they don't understand adult issues. Which is why it was not a huge red flag to her. I believe that there was a huge disservice to the victim how the prosecution handle the case. They believed the amount of blood and the wounds would seal the case. I also believe that the defense in this case should have tuned off the documentary. Seriously their idea to discredit the blood was by discrediting science. They are trying to get the exact blood patters, scientist don't do that. Lmoa. Still cracks me up. Obviously they didn't create any of the CSI crime shows. Lol. That sentence alone sealed his guilt for me. Pretty much saying they have the facts and the murder only hope is to muddy the waters.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+Robert Klimeck..👍
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
Chase Postell I admit Idk what's possible and impossible. One of the most damning pieces to me is Elizabeth Ratliff's death, that is very coincidental. To be the last person to see two women before they died and in very similar fashions is suspicious.
Chase Postell 4 months ago
+Robert Klimeck..Okay, physics should tell you that if theres about 20 steps and shes 5 foot (tall) long, there's no possibility that she had 7 impacts on her head taking a normal tumble from the top of the stairs to the bottom. Then factor in that the impacts were at the same angle, with all the blood spatter at the bottom , I stand by my impossible to have been a fall statement. That's all I'm going to say about it. It's obvious I'm not changing your mind with physics so I digress. Nice convo 👍
Krisluvsutube 4 months ago
The head wounds were not from blunt force trauma. There's a huge difference. They were deep lacerations. Like really deep drag wounds. You can't hit someone with a blow poke and do that kind of injury. That's ridiculous. Also, one forensic expert found microscopic owl feathers in her scalp.I do believe she was attacked by an owl or rapture before she ever went inside the house. Look at the blood on the door outside of the house. How does blood get there if she was knocked down the stairs? Also, I do not believe she ever went up the stairs. Look at how shes laying. Where do they see that she was ever up the stairs? If she was being attacked the owl or rapture could have made that kind of blood splatter on the wall. It was just like in the Steven Avery case, if they don't like you your guilty. No more studying the evidence necessary. Just have your witch hunt and be done with it. Erekose you are so right about them having a close relationship and there was no evidence anywhere that suggested he ever abused her, even if they did have an atypical marriage.
Krisluvsutube 4 months ago
Oh no! Hope he was OK.my brother was attacked by a buzzard when we were kids.these things DO happen.
KelChelW 4 months ago
Susan Sexton When I was 6, we lived within the city limits if a small town. A screech owl attacked my grandfather when we came home one evening at dusk. It was terrifying!
Krisluvsutube 4 months ago
I just can't imagine so called experts looking at the wounds and calling that blunt force trauma. Makes Durham NC look like a bunch of ding-a-lings. I guess that's why I get worked up about this case. I'm from NC myself.owls and raptors have huge claws that could dig into someone's skull and actually get hung. She was drinking alcohol and had taken some other medication. Her reflexes could have been off when she was attacked she probably was in so much pain and scared and didn't know what was happening. She was also not a very large woman and could have bled out quickly and if she physically tried to tear it off her that could have made those long drag marks. Yeah I'd have voted not guilty even without the feather evidence because the wounds didn't look anything at all like blunt force trauma and there wasn't any indication of any abuse going on between her and Michael. Thanks Susan.
Susan Sexton 4 months ago
I don't know why it's so hard for anyone to believe an owl could have attacked her when owl attacks are possible and have been reported. And the owl feathers being overlooked, why? Nobody just gets owl feathers on them for no reason. Why would she be immune to an owl attack
Susan Sexton 4 months ago
Right and if it had been blunt force trauma there would have been extensive swelling and bruising. I saw the shaved skull autopsy photo and I didnt see that
proudfootz 4 months ago
Peterson does strike me as an odd bird, but how can he be convicted of murder beyond a reasonable doubt when it can't be established there was a murder?
precious14830 4 months ago
proudfootz  except for she hit her lift railing, which of course is metal and yes it COULD cause that injury along with her broken neck, she was also 93 years old with much thinner skin and much thinner blood and it took her 11 days to die from her injuries.In Kathleen's case no fractured neck.she only fell down 3-4 stairs per the defense, died within hours of the fall , did NOT hit the rail because it was tested and nada was found to indicate it played any roll. Yes, it's good to question before assuming things.and occasionally police don't necessarily do that everytime, BUT the science backs up the statements made in this case.it was not from a fall.
proudfootz 4 months ago
The scene appears to be as bloody from the fall, and people who examined the woman thought she was attacked with a machete. All from a simple fall down a staircase. That is why I am dubious of people who claim Kathleen's wounds 'could not' have been caused by a fall when medical experts can be fooled.
precious14830 4 months ago
proudfootz  That woman was 93 years old and it took her 11 days to die from her REAL fall.
precious14830 4 months ago
proudfootz  you're welcome.
proudfootz 4 months ago
Thanks for the link - there is some good stuff in here.
Mary Henry 4 months ago
Going to watch again to see if my first thought of guilty changes!
billybad905 9toes 4 months ago
It was never proven that she was killed with the blow poke because it was found with no blood on it
Andy Pritchard 4 months ago
He's definitely a strange man I can see him going off the deep end but I can also see like you said she could have been out of it and trying to get back up multiple times and hit her head.
Susan Sexton 4 months ago
+Erekose on Making A Murderer right and the fact that another woman he knew died at the foot of a staircase makes me wonder if this is his MO. But how is it he snaps both times two women are near stairs you can't really plan out when you're going to snap so I would lean more towards premeditated than snapping because too coincidental he snaps just as both women are on stairs
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
I am still not sure where I stand. Michael just has a strange demeanor. If his secret lifestyle is what set this in motion? Then he should have been honest. He may have over reacted when she confronted him about it.
Andy Pritchard 4 months ago
Love it great vid!
Olivia Chacon 4 months ago
It doesnt matter what those people think that what they saw was a loving relationship. Things can change in an instant. I believe he is guilty. Ive watched it 5 times. Nothing has changed my mind. He starts out lying from the get go. He says they had 1 well i know we drank 2 bottles of wine. Which is it? She only has a bac of.07. Thats not consistent with his lie of 2 bottles. Plus i really doubt she knew he was bi. She seemed to be a woman of southern values. His children just seemed be in some sort of denial. Margaret was the one who seemed to lie about almost everything she said. They did not know he was bi. The look on their faces to me showed a bit shocked hearing the prosectors question Brad. My question at the end of the day is who would want kill Kathleen & why.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
precious14830 yes he said that and I noticed it.
precious14830 4 months ago
He also said he didn't know it was the last time he'd see her alive as she supposedly was walking in to the house to tend to her work stuff.but then corrected it to say well, no, she was BARELY alive when I found her.or something to that extent.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
I only talked about that to talk about the overall feeling while watching. I am still not sure where I stand.
Thomas Hense 4 months ago
I have some questions. Why was he sitting outside alone by the pool wearing shorts in 42°F temperature for over two and a half hours? When he found Kathleen why did he not provide first aid or cpr when he found his wife? Why did he not at least try to comfort his wife? He told the 911 operator that she is still breathing, instead of saying she is breathing. He then hangs up on the 911 operator. He calls back and tells the 911 operator that she stopped breathing and then inexplicably hangs up again. Why did he hang up twice on 911 when they were his only help line? How did a shoe print end up on the back of her pant leg? How did her blood end up on the outside walkway and a smear from her hand on the entrance door? How did she suffer strangulation injuries (fractured thyroid cartilage, with internal bleeding)? How did she suffer seven lacerations on her head? In my opinion he was choking her as he repeatedly banged her head off the edge of a step.
precious14830 4 months ago
Susan Sexton  Per the reports it was in her fingers/hands, along with ONE MICROSCOPIC feather. If it had been an owl attack, there would have been many more feathers. She may have had down pilliows in her house. There may have been a feather on the pine needles since it was Christmas season and they were putting up decorations, per report. How did the owl follow her in the house, and then make his escape? Why would she head upstairs away from the reported place Mike was, per him? Why was there so little blood outside, if the owl attacked her there?
precious14830 4 months ago
Sumridge  I think she seen both the computer search history AND his printed pornographic emails from Brad the hooker. Her blood was on them.
precious14830 4 months ago
Lu Xun  The blood was on the printed emails, not a mag porn collection. There was also her blood found on the cupboard and wine glasses, with only one set of fingerprints.HIS.
precious14830 4 months ago
Robert Klimeck  He was NEITHER. I don't believe he was shaken up by it at all. I believe it was all staged, and easily heard when he got pissy with the 911 operator when she was asking him questions he didn't already have answers prepared for.like the how many stairs question.he got super pissy with her and hung up soon after. Did you notice he never ONCE mentioned one word about the blood? Phony, staged phone call.
Lu Xun 4 months ago
Wow. I don't know what to say. Bizarre! They do appear smaller, but talon-ish nonetheless.
Julie Furaitor 4 months ago
I remember this story from watching Forensic Files.
Novascotia Skater 2 months ago
Forensic files was full of mistakes and the expert in that episode is Duane Dever.
Julie Furaitor 4 months ago
Lizzy Belaid Netflix
Lizzy Belaid 4 months ago
Same here (German Version) but where can I watch the staircase
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
Yes I saw it on there as well.
Em 7609 4 months ago
IF it was a murder, I envisaged someone banging her head against the wall/stairs. I’m not convinced one way or another but he’s definitely a very very strange man.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
I guess I am saying I ruled out the blowpoke. Possible it was a more hands on situation. I would expect that his boxers would have been covered in that case. He is an odd duck though.
Helen Goate 4 months ago
Love your posts xx
MusicLuvr Laurie 4 months ago
I've watched it twice as well. I think he's guilty for many reasons, including all that blood and so many head wounds, plus their financial mess and the other woman who died on the staircase, not to mention all the affairs he was having. His personality screams narcissist to me. Too many issues, even if much of it is circumstantial. Very very sad, though.
precious14830 4 months ago
Ben Barr  I've never talked to a soul about it, and this is the first time I've even remotely touched on it, and that's okay.this is who I am, and it takes a long time to get to that point. That's who I am.but when you've lived that so long that this is who I am, to make that leap is very difficult, AND I DIDN'T MAKE THAT LEAP WITH KATHLEEN. Yeah it would have been better. I probably wasn't that comfortable with it.I couldn't have been that comfortable with it because I was hiding it.. This paragraph came from MP himself in chapter 13 Flawed Justice at the 13:13 time marker. So, if you still believe MP is innocent, I would suggest you rewatch, at least that segment, and the whole Kathleen knew statement goes bye bye, and the motive for the murder should be apparent!
precious14830 4 months ago
Robert Klimeck  The point here is that he said he had an idyllic marriage. We all know that Kathleen wasn't aware, and wouldnt have tolerated her spouse cheating. This is why she divorced her first husband.because of his infidelities. Yes, cheating doesn't make someone a killer, but it CAN make someone a killer if they think they are about to lose their ENTIRE lifestyle of high society, all finances they had access to (all hers since he had made no income in a long while), and have his long term secret exposed about gay sexual dalliances. I don't even think he believed he was bisexual.just that it was forced upon him due to public opinion of gay persons.
Robert Klimeck 4 months ago
Ben Barr I agree, them using his bisexuality against him was wrong on so many levels. I personally do not agree with extra marital affairs, at all. But having an affair does not make someone a murderer. There are so many cases where the motives the prosecution claims just doesn't make sense, I think they just use the first thing they come across that they know might work.
Ben Barr 4 months ago
I've watch it 3 times, and the more i watch it, the more it seemed as though the prosecution, played a part of racial profiling, because the man was bisexual, and the jury fell right into their trap, playing on their hatred, and fears of gay sex, and homophobia. The theory of monogamous relationship's no longer apply, in today's world. But it's what is expected by society. To have a Polyamorous relationship, is very common in society, and has been for quite some time. Though it's very unheard of, or even seen. People are scared of thing's they deem disgusting, or what they don't understand. And That's ok, it's ok to be scared, but you don't judge someone for the way they feel inside. People make their own choices, and if they want a relationship with eachother, as well as outside their own, that's on them, but in all honesty having that extra marital affair out in the open together, it keeps the relationship honest. It's vital to have that trust, even when they are willing, and open to the idea. It's reality. There are so many types of relationship's. To think the only relationship that's acceptable in today's society, is only a monogamous relationship, that is complete nonsense. There are well over 10 different types of relationship's. Monogamy – having a single long-term sexual partner. Polygamy – having multiple long-term sexual partners. Polyandry – having multiple long-term male sexual partners. Polygyny – having multiple long-term female sexual partners.Polyamorous relationship –Non-monogamy –Polygamous relationship – having multiple long-term sexual partners. Polyandry – having multiple long-term male sexual partners. Polygyny – having multiple long-term female sexual partners. Polyfidelity, Polygynandry, and the Extra Marital Affair -- which can be an open, or a hidden affair, which often ends in divorce, unless open, and agreed upon. It happens. People have no clue how their relationship was, other than they had a prefect ideal marriage, filled with honesty, humor, admiration, love, and support. To judge a book by it's cover, is shallow. Everyone handles the loss of a loved one differently. To me this man showed the signs of a grieving husband, and showed all the signs of what an innocent person would be. To me the State's case was entirely weak, circumstantial, and very manipulative. It showed signs of targeting without cause, Biasness, prejudice, discrimination, and corruption. The State's forensic examination of the evidence, and debunking tests were equivalent to that of a Kindergarten class at recess. It was a mockery of what's wrong in the Justice System today. As if it was one big joke. Enough is enough.
James Crane 4 months ago
If nothing else we see that the husband or boyfriend is always the first suspect
Steven Giles 4 months ago
could anyone else be first suspect in this case?
Olivia Chacon 4 months ago
No. Its Olivia Chacon.I live in Memphis.
bhillis99 4 months ago
Olivia Chacon Ryan? Is that you?
Olivia Chacon 4 months ago
Ryan Hiilegas.you still on that bullshit.move on. 11yrs..Ryan is probably getting a good laugh at your expense.
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
Somehow he was overlooked though. It's an empirical fact. lol
Joy Cuellar 4 months ago
Ty Erekosa so what is your take on Peterson's 1st wife falling from the staircase and the fact that she died as well ?
Novascotia Skater 2 months ago
Everyone in Germany stated she had started having horrible severe headaches out of no where, German medical examiner confirmed by spinal tap she had hemorrhage, most witnesses stated there was no blood on staircase, those that didn’t only stated this during KP trial, her head wounds were not similar to KP’s.
laurie ballou 4 months ago
It wasn't his first wife but a family friend that's one reason why I think he's guilty too
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
It's one of the reasons I am still not sure about him
John Holmes 4 months ago
Werner spitz and Henry Lee put their names on this. Case closed.
precious14830 4 months ago
Lee wasn't believed in the OJ trial. Spitz wasn't used because his testimony wasn't good for the defense. In other words.spitz knew him to be guilty as well.
John Holmes 4 months ago
Olivia Chacon read up on both of those men and then get back to me.
Olivia Chacon 4 months ago
John Holmes I didnt feel they were as good as they claim to be.
Mary Henry 4 months ago
love you videos 😀
Lucy Lockwood 4 months ago
Woah Erekose you posted a video before midnight!
precious14830 4 months ago
Erekose on Making A Murderer  we still love ya!
Erekose on Making A Murderer 4 months ago
ouch!